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		<title>Comment on Stegosaurus in Cambodian temple? by KUM</title>
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		<dc:creator>KUM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was searching for dinosaur pictures and came across this. My two cents here.

Being a Hindu, I know that there are many &#039;Fantastic Beasts&#039; in Hindu mythology more or less similar to those that exist in the Greek counterpart - half bird-half man God, half-elephant-half-lion, multi-tusked and multi-&#039;trunk&#039;ed elephants, snake-headed Gods, unicorns, and many other animals whose existence is unknown to us... hitherto! ;) (I mean, who knew mammoths existed?)

I think that there is also the possibility that the carving could be exactly what it seems like -  a stegosaurus! However, I do not think that stegosaurus and men walked together on earth. 

It is not necessary that the fossil has to be located in Cambodia - it could have been anywhere. In ancient times too, people who had been to exotic places traveled across the seas, and narrated their adventurous tales to the reigning king upon their return. There could be the explanation that some of these ancient adventurers found the fossils of such ancient beasts and reconstructed their structure and glorified their findings in their sculptures. If we modern men can excavate sites, then why couldn&#039;t have they? (though I suppose such a discovery would have been recorded in history) 

I don&#039;t doubt for a moment the genuineness of these carvings. I am more inclined to believe that the sculptures in the various Hindu temples could have been the imagination of the sculptor himself or the temple-designer. Their imaginations ran wild... and eventually proved to be true. 

Did you know that in a Hindu temple of 10th century AD, there are carvings of rockets and missiles similar to those that are being designed today and launched into space?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was searching for dinosaur pictures and came across this. My two cents here.</p>
<p>Being a Hindu, I know that there are many &#8216;Fantastic Beasts&#8217; in Hindu mythology more or less similar to those that exist in the Greek counterpart &#8211; half bird-half man God, half-elephant-half-lion, multi-tusked and multi-&#8217;trunk&#8217;ed elephants, snake-headed Gods, unicorns, and many other animals whose existence is unknown to us&#8230; hitherto! ;) (I mean, who knew mammoths existed?)</p>
<p>I think that there is also the possibility that the carving could be exactly what it seems like &#8211;  a stegosaurus! However, I do not think that stegosaurus and men walked together on earth. </p>
<p>It is not necessary that the fossil has to be located in Cambodia &#8211; it could have been anywhere. In ancient times too, people who had been to exotic places traveled across the seas, and narrated their adventurous tales to the reigning king upon their return. There could be the explanation that some of these ancient adventurers found the fossils of such ancient beasts and reconstructed their structure and glorified their findings in their sculptures. If we modern men can excavate sites, then why couldn&#8217;t have they? (though I suppose such a discovery would have been recorded in history) </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t doubt for a moment the genuineness of these carvings. I am more inclined to believe that the sculptures in the various Hindu temples could have been the imagination of the sculptor himself or the temple-designer. Their imaginations ran wild&#8230; and eventually proved to be true. </p>
<p>Did you know that in a Hindu temple of 10th century AD, there are carvings of rockets and missiles similar to those that are being designed today and launched into space?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Marcus Ross review of The Bible, Rocks and Time by Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://geochristian.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/marcus-ross-review-of-the-bible-rocks-and-time/#comment-2103</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross can&#039;t see past the wall, because he is an idiot. He claims that the Earth is 4000 years old as according to the Bible, which means that the Earth was created before the oldest civilizations that we have record of from Asia. I do not get his stupidity at all. If there was a global flood then way the pyramids are still standing in Egypt Mr. Ross? I wish he could read this message.I am a Christian myself from the time I was born, and through science I see that we get to understand much better God&#039;s creation. That&#039;s why God gave us knowledge so we through science can uncover the mysetery of God&#039;s creation. I just wonder if Ross could stand face to face with God, and God would tell him, ok this is the way things happen, you have everything in the science textbooks and in science journals. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old and all the living things evolved even the humans. I can imagine the response from Ross, - oh no God, you are wrong, the Bible says that you created the Earth in six days. So as you can see, the fundamental Christians are trying so hard to twist God&#039;s word and creation. I just wonder if this crazyness will ever end. Who knows what the future holds for us. I predict that in the future there will be many Chrstian scientists studing the evolution of life on Earth and all of them will give thanks to God for His creation, that He let them understand His creation through real science, the way things were made. Amen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross can&#8217;t see past the wall, because he is an idiot. He claims that the Earth is 4000 years old as according to the Bible, which means that the Earth was created before the oldest civilizations that we have record of from Asia. I do not get his stupidity at all. If there was a global flood then way the pyramids are still standing in Egypt Mr. Ross? I wish he could read this message.I am a Christian myself from the time I was born, and through science I see that we get to understand much better God&#8217;s creation. That&#8217;s why God gave us knowledge so we through science can uncover the mysetery of God&#8217;s creation. I just wonder if Ross could stand face to face with God, and God would tell him, ok this is the way things happen, you have everything in the science textbooks and in science journals. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old and all the living things evolved even the humans. I can imagine the response from Ross, &#8211; oh no God, you are wrong, the Bible says that you created the Earth in six days. So as you can see, the fundamental Christians are trying so hard to twist God&#8217;s word and creation. I just wonder if this crazyness will ever end. Who knows what the future holds for us. I predict that in the future there will be many Chrstian scientists studing the evolution of life on Earth and all of them will give thanks to God for His creation, that He let them understand His creation through real science, the way things were made. Amen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answers in Genesis conference &#8212; day 1 by JL Vaughn</title>
		<link>http://geochristian.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/answers-in-genesis-conference-day-1/#comment-2102</link>
		<dc:creator>JL Vaughn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Holzmann, Tim Martin, and I broke the story two weeks before it happened on John&#039;s blog.

The morning AiG did what we predicted on the day we predicted it, we broke the story again.  The second time, it got real traction.

Mark Looy of AiG even sent an official response.  Pretty much, How dare you say such a thing in public.  You are dividing the Church.

The people at AiG are so smug that even when warned that they are about to step into a hornets nest with their falsehoods, they do so anyway.  Then they blame you for noticing and warning them.

Blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Holzmann, Tim Martin, and I broke the story two weeks before it happened on John&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>The morning AiG did what we predicted on the day we predicted it, we broke the story again.  The second time, it got real traction.</p>
<p>Mark Looy of AiG even sent an official response.  Pretty much, How dare you say such a thing in public.  You are dividing the Church.</p>
<p>The people at AiG are so smug that even when warned that they are about to step into a hornets nest with their falsehoods, they do so anyway.  Then they blame you for noticing and warning them.</p>
<p>Blessings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answers in Genesis conference &#8212; day 1 by WebMonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>WebMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am very familiar with what they did to his sermons. I think there were a couple blog postings here on that topic. They&#039;re buried pretty deeply. My opinion of AiG is starting to move toward my opinion of Disney&#039;s legal department.

:-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am very familiar with what they did to his sermons. I think there were a couple blog postings here on that topic. They&#8217;re buried pretty deeply. My opinion of AiG is starting to move toward my opinion of Disney&#8217;s legal department.</p>
<p>:-D</p>
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		<title>Comment on A different map of Montana by JL Vaughn</title>
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		<dc:creator>JL Vaughn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GeoChristian,

I&#039;ve been to Montana and New York.  Your map of New York is by far more accurate than their map Montana.

For the record, in my small conservative county in California we probably have more people in most of those categories, than are found in the entire State of Montana.  Don&#039;t even think about the demographics of some left-wing looney county like Los Angeles.

I&#039;m glad I discovered your blog.

Thanks and Blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GeoChristian,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to Montana and New York.  Your map of New York is by far more accurate than their map Montana.</p>
<p>For the record, in my small conservative county in California we probably have more people in most of those categories, than are found in the entire State of Montana.  Don&#8217;t even think about the demographics of some left-wing looney county like Los Angeles.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I discovered your blog.</p>
<p>Thanks and Blessings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answers in Genesis conference &#8212; day 1 by JL Vaughn</title>
		<link>http://geochristian.wordpress.com/2009/10/10/answers-in-genesis-conference-day-1/#comment-2099</link>
		<dc:creator>JL Vaughn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WebMonk,

AiG changed Charles Spurgeon from a gap-theorist to a modern YEC.  (See the article Why Doesn&#039;t Answers in Genesis Tell You the Truth? at my website.  Click on my name below.)  If they are that blatant with their revisionist history of things that happened recently, why expect them to be forthright about ancient history or science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WebMonk,</p>
<p>AiG changed Charles Spurgeon from a gap-theorist to a modern YEC.  (See the article Why Doesn&#8217;t Answers in Genesis Tell You the Truth? at my website.  Click on my name below.)  If they are that blatant with their revisionist history of things that happened recently, why expect them to be forthright about ancient history or science?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The ESV Study Bible on creation &#8212; Introduction and Introduction to Genesis by JL Vaughn</title>
		<link>http://geochristian.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/the-esv-study-bible-on-creation-introduction-and-introduction-to-genesis/#comment-2098</link>
		<dc:creator>JL Vaughn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Genesis gives a true account of the origin of the universe&quot;

Does it?

Or does it give the true account of the origin of something else?

If it is something else as a number of scholars over the past two hundred years have suggested (and been forgotten), then the whole agenda of trying to match Genesis and the science of physical creation is sorely misguided.

Blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Genesis gives a true account of the origin of the universe&#8221;</p>
<p>Does it?</p>
<p>Or does it give the true account of the origin of something else?</p>
<p>If it is something else as a number of scholars over the past two hundred years have suggested (and been forgotten), then the whole agenda of trying to match Genesis and the science of physical creation is sorely misguided.</p>
<p>Blessings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review: Beyond Creation Science (part 1) by JL Vaughn</title>
		<link>http://geochristian.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/book-review-beyond-creation-science-part-1/#comment-2097</link>
		<dc:creator>JL Vaughn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WebMonk,

Thank-you.

The book is available from our website and from a few bookstores.  The book has been out since early 2008.

It took several attempts to get on Amazon and for them to place an order with us.  They have our book but never placed it on the web for sale.  They don&#039;t know what happened.

We&#039;ve not tried CBD.  The other Christian book store chains will not touch books that suggest or give evidence that &quot;end-times&quot; prophecies are fulfilled.  It is a key component to our demonstration that the flood was a local/regional event.

Specifically, the Olivet Discourse compares the then coming destruction of Jerusalem to Genesis Flood and uses essentially the same language.  If the Matthew 24-25 judgment is a global (local) event, then the flood must have been a global (local) event.

We don&#039;t know yet if this is GeoChristian&#039;s problem (I believe the logic is sound) or if when we get to comparing the Fall and the Creation to the remainder of the &quot;end-times&quot; prophecies, does GeoChristian think we went to far?  Does GeoChristian&#039;s problem start in Chapter one (which you can read on my website, click my highlighted name at bottom) or does it start with Chapter 11?  That will be telling.

Either way, it is difficult for us moderns to read Matthew 24-25 as fulfilled, because we are unfamiliar with the ancient language and culture and because we are unfamiliar with the history of the era.

For those who accept that the Olivet Discourse has been fulfilled, it is still difficult to go further, or to even find the line at which you can&#039;t go further.  We have conscientiously forced ourselves to go all the way and we believe the result works.  Genesis 1 is a document by a literate people establishing their covenant with the living God of the universe.  The &quot;end-times&quot; prophecies deal with the end of that covenant and the establishment of God&#039;s new covenant with his new people, the remnant of the old people with the gentiles grafted in.

Blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WebMonk,</p>
<p>Thank-you.</p>
<p>The book is available from our website and from a few bookstores.  The book has been out since early 2008.</p>
<p>It took several attempts to get on Amazon and for them to place an order with us.  They have our book but never placed it on the web for sale.  They don&#8217;t know what happened.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve not tried CBD.  The other Christian book store chains will not touch books that suggest or give evidence that &#8220;end-times&#8221; prophecies are fulfilled.  It is a key component to our demonstration that the flood was a local/regional event.</p>
<p>Specifically, the Olivet Discourse compares the then coming destruction of Jerusalem to Genesis Flood and uses essentially the same language.  If the Matthew 24-25 judgment is a global (local) event, then the flood must have been a global (local) event.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t know yet if this is GeoChristian&#8217;s problem (I believe the logic is sound) or if when we get to comparing the Fall and the Creation to the remainder of the &#8220;end-times&#8221; prophecies, does GeoChristian think we went to far?  Does GeoChristian&#8217;s problem start in Chapter one (which you can read on my website, click my highlighted name at bottom) or does it start with Chapter 11?  That will be telling.</p>
<p>Either way, it is difficult for us moderns to read Matthew 24-25 as fulfilled, because we are unfamiliar with the ancient language and culture and because we are unfamiliar with the history of the era.</p>
<p>For those who accept that the Olivet Discourse has been fulfilled, it is still difficult to go further, or to even find the line at which you can&#8217;t go further.  We have conscientiously forced ourselves to go all the way and we believe the result works.  Genesis 1 is a document by a literate people establishing their covenant with the living God of the universe.  The &#8220;end-times&#8221; prophecies deal with the end of that covenant and the establishment of God&#8217;s new covenant with his new people, the remnant of the old people with the gentiles grafted in.</p>
<p>Blessings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review: Beyond Creation Science (part 1) by WebMonk</title>
		<link>http://geochristian.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/book-review-beyond-creation-science-part-1/#comment-2096</link>
		<dc:creator>WebMonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, very nice that you have taken the time to comment!

I checked out Amazon and CBD and it&#039;s not for sale there. Where would it be available? I was hoping to find a used copy, but if it hasn&#039;t been released yet, that might not work out very well!  :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, very nice that you have taken the time to comment!</p>
<p>I checked out Amazon and CBD and it&#8217;s not for sale there. Where would it be available? I was hoping to find a used copy, but if it hasn&#8217;t been released yet, that might not work out very well!  :-D</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book Review: Beyond Creation Science (part 1) by JL Vaughn</title>
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		<dc:creator>JL Vaughn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geo Christian,

Thank-you for the review.

Web Monk, Chris,

Our purpose was not to debunk YECism but to present a new view of Genesis 1-11, or rather an old view that was never developed and was long forgotten.

Tangling with YECism is required though, and will be for some time to come.  We have mostly avoided science and tried to deal carefully with what the Bible says.

Most authors on the subject assume that science is the subject of Genesis.  We think that has not been proven.  Until it is proven, science should not be called upon to witness for or against the Bible.  The Bible vs. Science debates you see elsewhere can properly be over-ruled by the objection that the people making those arguments are improperly &quot;leading the witness.&quot;

We address the hyper-evolution required by all segments of the global flood crowd.  Ultimately, it doesn&#039;t matter which version you pick or how many animals they have ofn the ark, they all have the same fundamental insurmountable concerns.

The food and space concerns for insects might not be a problem on the ark, but the issues we discuss for the global-flood required hyper-evolution of penguins, polar bears, and a variety of specialized mammals and birds, are multiplied a million fold when insects and plants are considered.

We have addressed Gen. 9:1 and God&#039;s promise to never flood the &quot;earth&quot; again.  We demonstrated that God has kept that promise in the context in which he made it.  That is, the flood was primarily a covenantal judgment, against the covenantal people.

Cain was driven from the &quot;face of the earth&quot; and was no longer part of the covenant people.  The same for Seth&#039;s other brothers.  As Josephus recognized, it was Seth&#039;s covenantal line that had become corrupted and was to be judged.  That judgment was the one and only covenantal judgment by water in all of Scripture.

Look carefully through Scripture and see how often judgments against a people are called floods.  Not a flood of water, but by God&#039;s reckoning, a flood nonetheless.

Ultimately, our modern way of thinking drives us quickly to either a universal context or an individual context.  The Biblical context is always with respect to a covenant.  This was a common way of thinking for all peoples from the earliest writings until about the Augustine and remains common in much of Asia and with &quot;primitive&quot; tribal peoples.  This is very different from what we are used to and I am still not completely comfortable with it.

Blessings,
JL Vaughn
Coauthor Beyond Creation Science</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geo Christian,</p>
<p>Thank-you for the review.</p>
<p>Web Monk, Chris,</p>
<p>Our purpose was not to debunk YECism but to present a new view of Genesis 1-11, or rather an old view that was never developed and was long forgotten.</p>
<p>Tangling with YECism is required though, and will be for some time to come.  We have mostly avoided science and tried to deal carefully with what the Bible says.</p>
<p>Most authors on the subject assume that science is the subject of Genesis.  We think that has not been proven.  Until it is proven, science should not be called upon to witness for or against the Bible.  The Bible vs. Science debates you see elsewhere can properly be over-ruled by the objection that the people making those arguments are improperly &#8220;leading the witness.&#8221;</p>
<p>We address the hyper-evolution required by all segments of the global flood crowd.  Ultimately, it doesn&#8217;t matter which version you pick or how many animals they have ofn the ark, they all have the same fundamental insurmountable concerns.</p>
<p>The food and space concerns for insects might not be a problem on the ark, but the issues we discuss for the global-flood required hyper-evolution of penguins, polar bears, and a variety of specialized mammals and birds, are multiplied a million fold when insects and plants are considered.</p>
<p>We have addressed Gen. 9:1 and God&#8217;s promise to never flood the &#8220;earth&#8221; again.  We demonstrated that God has kept that promise in the context in which he made it.  That is, the flood was primarily a covenantal judgment, against the covenantal people.</p>
<p>Cain was driven from the &#8220;face of the earth&#8221; and was no longer part of the covenant people.  The same for Seth&#8217;s other brothers.  As Josephus recognized, it was Seth&#8217;s covenantal line that had become corrupted and was to be judged.  That judgment was the one and only covenantal judgment by water in all of Scripture.</p>
<p>Look carefully through Scripture and see how often judgments against a people are called floods.  Not a flood of water, but by God&#8217;s reckoning, a flood nonetheless.</p>
<p>Ultimately, our modern way of thinking drives us quickly to either a universal context or an individual context.  The Biblical context is always with respect to a covenant.  This was a common way of thinking for all peoples from the earliest writings until about the Augustine and remains common in much of Asia and with &#8220;primitive&#8221; tribal peoples.  This is very different from what we are used to and I am still not completely comfortable with it.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
JL Vaughn<br />
Coauthor Beyond Creation Science</p>
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